Tuesday, November 10, 2009

Councilman's Column by Jesse Alber

On Tuesday, at the November City Council Meeting, I found myself on the receiving end of discussion of disciplinary action for comments I made at the October City Council Meeting directed toward Mayor Keri Schunk. The complaint was brought forward by Mr. Chuck Hewitt & Mr. Eddie Schmidt, two residents who were not even present at the October meeting. The comments arose during discussions of a complaint brought forward by Sylvia Alber about issues with her utilities and trash billing and services. During this discussion, I found Mayor Schunk's examination of, and statements toward Mrs. Alber to be hostile, aggressive, unprofessional and mean spirited. Although Mrs. Alber had just explained to Mayor Schunk that she did not address some of her concerns earlier because they occurred right around the time of her husband's death, Mayor Schunk still continued to attack Mrs. Alber like a Pit-Bull. Mayor Schunk contends that I misunderstood her comments. Had Mayor Schunk treated any other citizen of Blue Hill in this manner (which she often has) I would have been offended, but when Mayor Schunk was addressing someone I love in this manner, I was more than outraged. Sometimes the best way to get someones attention is with the use of vocabulary that is intended to elicit an emotional response and that is exactly what I did. I referred to Mayor Schunk as an insensitive BITCH!! Urban Dictionary provides over 240 common usages of the word bitch in the modern English language, almost all of which are slang applications. Definitions on Urban Dictionary are provide by individuals who actually use the words and are not intended to be literal definitions. Some of the definitions that I feel apply to my use of the word include;
  • a malicious, unpleasant, selfish person, esp. a woman
  • a woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing
  • an unpleasant or irritating female
  • a woman who would say things that if she were a man, she would be confronted or assaulted. (using her position as a woman as a shield)
  • a women with a bad attitude
  • a domineering, spiteful female
  • a control freak that always thinks she is right, and constantly corrects everyone
  • a woman who tells everything straight up and bluntly
  • a female who is, all in all, not pleasant to be around
  • a person who tells it like they think it is and doesn't hold anything back

By almost all, the word is considered to be insulting, by many, it is considered to be offensive and by some it is even considered vulgar or profane. However, the FCC has defined profanity as “including language so grossly offensive to members of the public who actually hear it as to amount to a nuisance.” The word in question is not considered to be profanity by the FCC regardless of application or context. It is often heard on prime-time television broadcasts or on morning radio.

I am willing to express my apologies to those who were in attendance who may have been offended by my comment and I expressed that willingness at the meeting. However, I do not extend an apology to Mayor Schunk as I feel the word accurately depicted her nature at the time it was used. I am also unwilling to express an apology to those who were not present to witness the actions of Mayor Schunk that elicited the comment, and I am offend by their demands for an appology or resignation without having experienced the events in question.

Despite discussion on the adjective preceeding this word, I assure you it was insensitive, had it been any other, or if others had percieved it to be otherwise, for this I do sincerly appologize to any and all.

After discussion of this topic, Mr. Schmidt expressed his regrets that I represented him as a Member of the City Council, and his belief that the council had accomplished nothing. I regret if I have been unable to fulfill the expectations of Mr. Schmidt or any other members of the community in my capacity or if my use of this word leads any to believe that I am unqualified to hold this office. However, considering Mayor Schunk's routinely non-professional conduct at council meetings and her specific actions at the October meeting, I do not regret my use of the term. I will continue to act on my conscious and work toward those issues that I feel are in the best interest of the city, regardless of their popularity.

30 comments:

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Anonymous said...

I find it sad and quite disturbing that the citizens of Blue Hill believe themselves to be without "sin", giving them the right to condem someone for getting emotional and stating what was on his mind to a person that was verbally attacking his family member. The indviduals who brought the complaint forward were not at the October meeting, so how did they get thier information? Is it possible that someone in this community was gossiping about what was said? Surely not, that would mean that the community would have sinners, and the only sinners in this town are the Albers, right? I believe that is how Chuck Hewit and Eddie Schmidt got their information. The minutes of that meeting do not say anything about the remark in question as happing. In a court of law the information shared with these individuals would be considered as heresay and not allowed. Anyone that has attended a city council meeting should be offened by the way Kari Schunk repersents herself as our mayor, from her taking her shoes off to the way she addresses the members of this community if they have an issue that needs handling by the council.
Jesse should be commended on what he did, she is a BITCH, he is the only one that seems willing to let her know that.
I think Jesse's willings to apologize to any member of the community that was at the October meeting says alot about his character and I am glad he represents this city as a coucilman.

Anonymous said...

"Anyone that fits those descriptions doesn't have to put others down to make themselves feel better" and then Anonymous proceeds to "put others down". ?
It has been said and repeated any one that posts anonymous has something to hide, besides their name. so "take such comments with a grain of salt." giving advise that you refuse, just a bit hypocritical?


And Gods Blessings to you as well!

Anonymous said...

10 to 12 people may have heard Jesse's comment in the October meeting, someone carried that gossip out of that room and started spreading it around, Ed Schmidt and Chuck Hewitt picked up the "ball and went with it" Now People all over town as well as in other locations are talking about what a BITCH the mayor is, Thank you to all who contributed to this expecially Ed and Chuck, you have made the world a better place???!!!I am sure Keri Schunk thanks you for bringing this information to the publics attention.

Anonymous said...

"hypocritical" Is a great word for "Blue Hill"

Anonymous said...

I think it would do Eddie and Chuck some good to attend a few council meetings and listed to the way the mayor talks. I know for a fact that Mayor Shunk has used inappropriate language many more times than Councilman Alber. But then again why would they want to know the facts before they open there mouths. That is not the Blue Hill way is it??
Andy Alber

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Anonymous said...

jessephred,

You conveniently fail to point out the difference between the setting for the comments you made and the description pointed out by Anonymous 1. Your comments, although not recorded, were made in a public setting that is not intended as a scene for an onslaught of personal attacks and inappropriate behavior. The comments by Anonymous 1 are made anonymously on a blog that is NOT part of an offical public forum. I speak of stereotypes often, be it Black American, Native American, White American, or others. If you don't want to be included in that stereotype that you often find yourself, change your behavior. A change in perception will then follow. But until then, you should probably get used to feeling as if you are paddling upstream!

jessephred said...

Anonymous,

If city council meetings are "a public setting that is not intended as a scene for an onslaught of personal attacks and inappropriate behavior", then why does Mayor Schunk utilize this forum to do just that on a regular basis? Review the details of this instance and you will see that my comments wer not offensive (an attack)but defensive against the attack of Mayoe Schunk.

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Anonymous said...

At the Nov. 11, 2009, meeting of the Blue Hill City Council, Charles Hewitt and Eddie Schmidt, both residents of Blue Hill, brought forth their objections to certain terms used by Councilman Jesse Alber toward the Mayor of Blue Hill, Keri Schunk, at the Oct. Council meeting. Even though neither Mr. Hewitt nor Mr. Schmidt were present at the Oct. meeting, many persons advised them that Councilman Alber had called the Mayor a "F---bitch." This was further confirmed by certain employees of the City and another Council person who were present at the meeting.These comments by Councilman Alber seemed completely inappropriate and offensive for any Council member to make toward the Mayor or another council member irregardless of any perceived provocation. The Council is supposedly a civilized, intelligent group who at the very least has a vocabulary they could use other than language that many would consider insulting, offensive, vulgar, profane and sexist. Even if Mr. Alber used the words "insensitive bitch" as he stated in his column, such a statement is also inappropriate, insulting, offensive, vulgar, profane and sexist. Both Messrs. Hewitt and Schmidt considered it appropriate to appear at the meeting and formally object to such language by a council member. As Mr. Alber stated in his column, we do hope he continues to act on his conscience and work toward issues he feels are in the best interests of the City of Blue Hill and its citizens. However, neither Mr. Hewitt nor Mr. Schmidt regrets bringing this matter to the attention of those parties who also took offense to his language. Further Mr. Alber doesn't have to apologize to either Mr. Hewitt or Mr. Schmidt and we still stand by our actions to call for some kind of discipline, censure or reprimand.
Chuck Hewitt

jessephred said...

Again, I am certain that the adjective I used to proceed my comment towards Mayor Schunk was insensitive. I will whole heartedly appologize to everyone in attendance, including the Mayor, and the entire community for the other adjective in question. I do not believe I used the adjective in question but if I did or if that impression somehow came across, I cannot begin to express my regret.

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Anonymous said...

Many of the posts on this topic talk about the City council Meeting as a public forum. If this is true why is it that the public will not attend?? I realize that the content of the meeting is for the public, but the public of Blue Hill will not even take the time to come and see for themselves what is happening. Many if not all that have posted on this topic were too lazy to attend the meeting but yet want to be in charge of what happens at it. City meetings will not be public until YOU get off your butt and attend.

Anonymous said...

To anonymous that posted on the 16th. Regardless of your insinuation that the public is to blame for the onslaught of verbal attacks due only to their(the publics) absence, it IS an official public forum and should be run accordingly.The posts that I left on this blog, although anonymous, are left in discussion of the events that occurred, not to 'control' anything that goes on within the council. If you've ever been to a city council meeting, the public is not allowed to 'participate' in these types of discussions without fear of removal. So your criticism of the public in this instance is wrong. I DO support going to council meetings and if not for living several hours away, would be at every single one in an attempt to remove all those that do not fulfill their requirements. You can type all you wish and blame the 'public' for what goes on at the council meetings, but to argue that it is not a public forum is ludicrous. Perhaps you should travel to Lincoln and speak in front of the Unicameral or drive to Washington to voice your opinion. Does your absence at either of those preclude them from being public forums? Absolutely not! I agree that people should attend their local meetings, but for you to criticize those that do not attend for the sake of this argument alone, is ludicrous. Perhaps you should hold your council meetings at the local gym and invite the public as a whole to attend. Perhaps the public is tired of watching the same old nonsense from the same people for the last 20 some years! Perhaps your are just as trusted to perform your job professionally as you require those in Lincoln or Washington to perform theirs! Don't blame the absentee public for the goings on behind council doors!

Anonymous said...

However, neither Mr. Hewitt nor Mr. Schmidt regrets bringing this matter to the attention of those parties who also took offense to his language.

Mr Hewitt:
The above is a quote from your post. You admit that you are bringing this matter to parties who also took offense to the
language. If they had already herd it and taken offense to it, why did they need you sticking your nose into it since you knew nothing about it, (because you were not there)? The others you talk about were there. If it were SOO offensive why is it they need you or the CIA to come to there defense? Are they not strong elected officials? Are you the protector of all in Blue Hill? If so then please keep the weird old man down the street away from my daughter. She is afraid of him as he threatens to pull her hair while he is drunk.
Andy Alber

Anonymous said...

Susan Hartman Danehey says Men are successful, but successful women are called Bitches. Men are strong, but strong women are called Bitches. Men have standards, but women with standards are called Bitches.
Men are driven, but driven women are called Bitches. Men are ambitious, but ambitious women are called Bitches. Men are tough, but tough women are... called Bitches.
Men can fight for a cause wand be honorable, but women that fight for a cause are called bitches.
Men that rule are called powerful, women that rule are called bitches.
So from one Bitch to another...I am very proud of you!! Lets hear it for all of us Bitches!!!

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Anonymous said...

November 16, 11:02 pm,
The post that I refer to DOES insinuate that if the public does not attend it is not a 'public' forum. "City meetings will not be public until YOU get off your butt and attend." How can this be taken in other way? Again, I refer to Lincoln or Washington, just because you are absent does not preclude it from being a public forum. Do you not feel you should know what is occurring in Lincoln or Washington? Don't you think that it should also be up to the scrutiny of the absentee public even though they are not readily available for discussion? Is that not the purpose of publically elected government? You say in your post, "I also believe that unless you are in attendance or witnessed such actions that it is not your "duty"......" . It IS our duty to question the actions and words or public officials! Regardless of your tag of 'hearsay', they are still answerable to the public regardless of presence. Are you saying that just because you or anyone is absent that those that are in the elected or appointed position shouldn't be chastised and held accountable?
Reading into this farther, it seems by the initial blogger, that IF the public DID attend en masse, these types of incidents would not occur. Wouldn't you then agree that it does appear that the blogger DOES blame the absentee public to a degree for the conditions behind council doors?
In none of the several posts I have made on this subject have I singled out an individual. My criticism travels in the direction of the lack of responsibility of all parties involved.
Even though I'm not an official resident of Blue Hill any longer, I have family that remains. The goings on in Blue Hill still reverberate to those that no longer reside there.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Nov. 16 3:12
You obviously have never attended a meeting of the Blue Hill City Council. Your comment “ If you've ever been to a city council meeting, the public is not allowed to 'participate' in these types of discussions without fear of removal.” Is simply a bunch of bull. The public is always asked to attend and there is time set aside for the public to give there input. Many times during the meeting the persons who are in attendance are asked there opinion or thought on the matter. No one has ever been removed from a meeting for expressing there opinion. You are way off, that is exactly what happens when someone with no knowledge of the facts tries to pretend they are smart. I think that is what got us into this discussion in the first place. Chuck and Eddie standing up to voice there thoughts on a topic they knew nothing about. Please feel free to learn the facts before you spout off again.

Anonymous said...

There was a motion made to drop this at the council meeting. The same thing is being said over and over on this blog, which means were not getting anywhere. Hopefully the Mayor and Councilman can settle this outside the public eye and get it over with. I'm sure the Mayor meant no disrespect to Jesse or his Mother and I'm sure Jesse wouldn't say what he did again if given the option. So maybe we should trust our councils decision, drop it, and move on to other things.

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Sylvia Grant Alber said...

Some comments in a couple of the latest posts jogged my memory.
I was in attendance at the latest Blue Hill City council meeting. The public was allowed to speak. While discussing dangerous dog ordinances in the city we all got to listen to Eddie Schmidt recount a tale of how he was once attacked by a rogue bull in his younger days, didn't have much to do with the subject, but he spoke out and did so with no fear of being removed.
Later in the meeting after both he and Chuck had spoken about their perception of Mr. Alber's disrespect toward the Mayor and after the council had received and voted on a motion to drop the matter, Eddie rose and asked to address the council again. The Mayor refused permission, telling him that the matter was closed and if he had more to say on a different subject it should wait until the time reserved for comments from the public at the end of the meeting. Despite his acknowledgement of the Mayor telling him it was not his time to speak, he continued and spoke over her, totally disrespecting her right to control the meeting, obviously with no fear of being thrown out of the meeting.
So you see, you can speak out at city council meetings, even disrespectfully of the mayor, when you are not on the city council.

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jessephred said...

In Mr. Schmidt's defense, the Mayor did give him permission to speak before he did so with the understanding that his comments would not be related to the issue on which a closure motion was just passed. I was objecting also, not because I wanted to muzzle Mr. Schmidt, but because I just felt it was ironic that the first words out of anyones mouth after the vote for closure was, "Can I say one more thing?"

jessephred said...

I do not believe that anyone at the October meeting would have or should have felt intimidated to speak up on this or any other issue. Except for Mrs. ALber's initial discription of her complaint, the whole event took less than a few minutes and my comments were made and moved on from in a blink of an eye.